European hitch

[Shawn.54]

A Deutz fan stuck in USA I watch videos and see pics of the hitches you use in Europe and was interested in. Over the pond we don’t have them we use draw bar under PTO and in the lift arms I wanted to look them up but not sure what they are even called would like to get one just to have it.
I know that this seems like a dumb question but what are they called?
Shawn

 

[100er]

Hello Shawn,

Could you maybe give us a picture and mark the part or something as I don't know what part exactly you are talking about..

Greetings

 

[Deutz45nullfuenf]

Hi Shawn,

what you are talking about is the "three point hydraulic system", consisting of two lower links and one upper link (hydraulic length adjustment as option).

This is very common in germany and the hitch is very rare here.
This is mostly because of our small fields and roads. A pulled device in the hitch needs more space for turning around than the one which you can lift up.

 

[Shawn.54]

Here is the my tractor I have 3point hydraulic arms plus a bar under the PTO output hidden by snow of course in the only pic I have of the back.

This is the common one I see on your tractors we would call a hitch like that a pintail hitch. And are absent too my knowledge in USA
This is our standard hitch here.
Or cross bar between lift arms.
Shawn

 

[Deutz45nullfuenf]

Hi, OK, i see.
Pintail Hitch is also very uncommon in Europe (maybe france, netherlands are using that more).
Newer machines are often connected to a K80 ball head coupling which has no backlash (is this the right translation)?

Crossbar between liftarms was common for some machines like straw baler but is nowadays only used for small trailers.

 

[buddyholly]

Shawn is searching for a german " Zugmaul".

 

[Shawn.54]

This is our lift arm draw bar rarely used for heavy wagons more for dragging things that won’t have backlash my main hitch for pulling logs.
This is main hitch for wagons and implements diamond shape around PTO .
On our Deutz tractors the end in the small bracket pins to casting of the tractor. I also have to remember that video I watch is old and language I don’t speak.
Shawn

 

[Shawn.54]

Shawn is searching for a german " Zugmaul".

That’s it “Zugmaul “
I have never seen one on a tractor here.
Thanks for helping me out I joined this forum to get information from people who see these tractors regularly. I grew up knowing only about the theee on our farm and maybe five or six in my general area and we had 2 dealerships within 1/2 hours drive they just didn’t catch on. The people who had them loved them and others just couldn’t leave JD or IH and Ford.
It’s a shame now tractors are so advanced that you need an engineer’s degree to operate them and 2 engineers to fix them.
Again thanks for the information and sorry to be a pest.
Shawn

 

[buddyholly]

sorry to be a pest.

Don't worry, usually everyone who asks in a friendly way will receive useful answers, sooner or later.

Enjoy your hobby, and let us know about further success. Or failures

Greetings, Holger

 

[Shawn.54]

The next parts that need work on my D 30 06 a couple of broken castings. The top link casting is very scarce here but I’m actually going to machine one out of steel “one good thing about being a machinist” I just need to find time.
The control casting is a little more available on the used market.
My D8006 will need master cylinders a reservoir probably two slave cylinders. There is a shop that makes a bolt on master cylinder set to replace Deutz ones which are hard to get here and if you can get them they are way over priced.
Shawn

 

[Karel Vermoesen]

Hi Shawn,
Herewith a pickup hitch for a D4005/D4006.
Different type of tractor but same assembly.
Made by Lemoine France.
Regards,
Karel Vermoesen

 

[8006- 85]

Hi Shawn
Here are some pictures of my German Hanomag that I have in USA. The Zugmaul is really not usable for our implements in USA. It is also in the way of the toplink when you are using 3 pt equipment. It is actually mounted in the Toplink mounting bracket with pins. It must be removed when using 3 pt . The flatiron bracket with the 4 holes is used to mount the liftrods of the lower arms of the 3 pt so you can put a drawbar in the lift arms it is then rigid from any up and down movement. It is however a great conversation piece at a show, nobody knows what it is for. The bottom drawbar did not come with the tractor , I fabricated it so I could pull USA equipment. I also have some Deutz Tractors (love them) , none of them have a Zugmaul. The Zugmauls are mounted too high for my comfort, the tractor comes up in the front too easy. The Deutz Drawbar is a little too weak for our heavy implements I have had to reinforce all of them on my tractors. Both systems of hitching have distinct advantages and disadvantages.
Where in USA are you located and what do you farm?
I farm in Pennsylvania

 

[Shawn.54]

Hi Shawn
Here are some pictures of my German Hanomag that I have in USA. The Zugmaul is really not usable for our implements in USA. It is also in the way of the toplink when you are using 3 pt equipment. It is actually mounted in the Toplink mounting bracket with pins. It must be removed when using 3 pt . The flatiron bracket with the 4 holes is used to mount the liftrods of the lower arms of the 3 pt so you can put a drawbar in the lift arms it is then rigid from any up and down movement. It is however a great conversation piece at a show, nobody knows what it is for. The bottom drawbar did not come with the tractor , I fabricated it so I could pull USA equipment. I also have some Deutz Tractors (love them) , none of them have a Zugmaul. The Zugmauls are mounted too high for my comfort, the tractor comes up in the front too easy. The Deutz Drawbar is a little too weak for our heavy implements I have had to reinforce all of them on my tractors. Both systems of hitching have distinct advantages and disadvantages.
Where in USA are you located and what do you farm?
I farm in Pennsylvania

I’m in Pennsylvania also southern Clearfield county I do not farm any more I’m a machinist now I make airplane parts. I use my 30 06 to plow snow and I’m going to keep repair the 80 06 because it was on the farm as long as I was it’s been a part life and I just want it around.
Shawn

 

[Shawn.54]

Thanks for the answers guys it nice to find a forum dedicated to Deutz not just topic under other tractors.
Shawn

 

[DX470Max]

Very interesting to see shawn on how there are So many differences. Like I didn't knew that some Countrys use electric/electronic active braking Systems on the Trailers for the normal Roadcars!

Actually I'd like to see how you'd couple a common "US" Version of a Trailer to your towbars...and I'd like to know how the general braking was solved back in the days of 1950-70s in the US.

The Zugmaul I guess!, was in Terms of height reasoned by 2 Factors. 1 Braking with a passive "Pushbrake" System but much more because of the fact that Trailers for trucks(those that you could couple behind a "smaller truck") were build this way (for eg 2achsle Tandem versions or turntable).

So this made them quite popular. Even the mercedes G-Wagon could be equipped with a Zugmaul.

 

[Shawn.54]

Most of the farm wagons around here are of the 4 wheel variant with steering in the front axle no brakes in the wagon. Made some down hill runs a bit scary. Most farming is done away from city town mostly county roads I’ve never seen farm wagons with their own brakes and our farm is in the hills. As for car and truck towing we have had electric brakes since the 70’s as well as surge hydraulic brakes on the tongue. The giant two wheel carts are catching on with the large operations with tractors over 150hp. I can remember as a teenager pull hay wagons with 130 -60 pound bales on them with a Farmall C downhill and uphill runs were a bit unnerving. These wagons did not put any weight on the tractor so there was no help with additional weight on tractor tires.
Shawn

 

[Shawn.54]

This is a truck hitch but the pin is standard way to hookup.
A standard hay wagon in my area. Holds all the weight nothing transferred to tractor but push or pull.
Shawn

 

[DX470Max]

I tried to look up the whole thing too, to give all the interested people some input...

So what I've found is a document of german agriculture community (dlg) which says what I assumed, zugmaul came from trucs. The big reason on why to use a "high" positioned zugmaul versus your lower attacher hitch is, that the zugmaul only puts load on the whole tractor meanwhile lower trailerhitches put additional loads and forces on the rear axle too.
Plus one great advantage of the zugmaul is the higher interlacing/interlocking angle!

Here are some of the pics out of one of their official papers + on how it looks coupled + on which braking systems are common in germany(passive mostlikely feather actuated and active most likely pneumatic activated)!